Greetings And Felicitations: Donald Trump & Georgia Secretary of State Transcript

Call Operator: I’m just here to conference you in with Secretary Raffensperger and Mr. Germany.

We’re going to conference you through to POTUS shortly.

Jordan Fuchs: Great. Thank you so much.

Call Operator: OK, Jordan, do you mind? How do you pronounce your last name, Jordan? I’m sorry.

Jordan Fuchs: Yeah, I get that a lot. It’s OK. It's Fuchs.

Call Operator: Fuchs. Ok. Ok. Thank you. I’ll go ahead and announce you to Secretary

Raffensperger and Mr. Germany. Thank you so much ma'am. Ms. Fuchs you are now connected to

the other gentlemen.

Jordan Fuchs: All right, great.

Brad Raffensperger: Hi, Jordan. This is Brad.

Jordan Fuchs: Hi, Secretary.

Ryan Germany: Hi Jordan, Brad.

Brad Raffensperger: Ryan's on too.

Ryan Germany: Hi

Jordan Fuchs: Mark Meadows told me that their lawyers are going to be on the call too.

Brad Raffensperger: Okay. Fair enough.

Call Operator: Everyone, I’m going to conference you through to POTUS momentarily. One

moment.

Mark Meadows: ...Waiting on them.

Call Operator: The conference is now connected.

President Trump: Hello?

Mark Meadows: Mr. Raffensperger, are you on the line?

Ryan Germany: He was here a second ago. This is Ryan Germany.

Mark Meadows: Mr. Germany, Ms. Fuchs

Brad Raffensperger: And Brad Raffensperger here.

Mark Meadows: OK, all right. So, Mr. President, everybody is on the line. And just so this is Mark

Meadows, the chief of staff. Just so we all are aware, on the line is secretary of state and two other

individuals, Jordan and Mr. Germany. With him, you also have the attorneys that represent the

president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell, who is not the attorney of record, but has been

involved. Myself and then the president. 50, Mr. President, now I'll turn it over to you.

President Donald Trump: OK, thank you very much. Hello, Brad and Ryan and everybody.

We appreciate the time and the call. So we've spent a lot of time on this. And if we could just go

over some of the numbers, I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially, Georgia.

You even see it by rally side, frankly, we'd be getting 25-- 30,000 people a rally and the

competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.

But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots

were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn't

been checked. We think that if you check the signatures, a real check of the signatures going back

in Fulton County, you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people

with that who have been forged. And we are quite sure that's going to happen. Another another

tremendous number.

We're going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants, but an

accurate number will be given. But it's in the 505 of thousands and that's people that went to vote

and they were told they can't vote because they've already been voted for.

And it's a very sad thing. They walked out complaining, but the number is large. We'll have it for

you. But it's much more than the number of 11,779. The current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I

think I think you agree with that. Right. That's that's something I think everyone at least that's a

number that everyone agrees on. But that's the difference in the votes.

But we've had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we're we're we're able to actually we'll get you

a pretty accurate number. You don't need much of a number because the number that in theory, I

lost by the margin would be 11,779. But you also have substantial numbers of people, thousands

and thousands, who went to the voting place on November 3rd. We're told they couldn't vote.

We're told they couldn't vote because a ballot had been put in on their name. And, you know,

that's very, very, very, very sad. We had I believe it's about 4,502 voters who voted but who

weren't on the voter registration list. So it's 5,000 -- 4,502 -- who voted, but they were not on the

voter registration rolls, which they had to be.

You had 18,325 vacant address voters. They had no -- the address was vacant and they're not

allowed to be counted.

That's 18,325. Smaller number, you had 904 who only voted where they had just the PD. a post

office box number and they had a post office box number and that's not allowed.

We had at least 18,000, that's on tape. We had them counted very painstakingly, 18,000 voters

having to do with the .That's she's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer

and hustler. that is that was the tape that's been shown all over the world that

makes everybody look bad. You, me and everybody else where they got -- number one they said

they said very clearly. And it's been reported that the said there was a major water main break.

Everybody fled the area and then they came back. her daughter and a few people.

There was no Republican poll watchers, actually. There were no Democrat poll watchers. I guess

they were them, but there were no Democrats either. And there was no law enforcement late in the

morning. They went early in the morning. They went to the table with the black robe, the black

shield, and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there are a number of hours before,

the table was put there. I think it was -- Brad, you would know -- it was probably eight hours or seven hours before. And then it was stuffed with votes.

They weren’t in an official voter box. They were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases,

but they weren’t in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it, and they

watched it certified in slow motion, instant replay, if you can believe it, but had slow motion and it

was magnified many times over. And the minimum it was was eighteen thousand ballots, all for Biden.

You had out of state voters, they voted in Georgia, but they were from out of state, of 4,925.

You had absentee ballots sent to vacant. They were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses.

They had nothing on them about addresses. That’s 2,326. And you had drop boxes, which is very

bad. You had dropbox boxes that were picked up. We have photographs and we have affidavits

from many people. I don’t know if you saw the hearings, but, you have dropboxes where the box

was picked up and not delivered for three days. So all sorts of things could have happened to that

box, including, you know, putting in the votes that you wanted.

So there are many infractions. And the bottom line is many, many times the 11,779 margin that

they said we lost by, we had vast — I mean, the state is in turmoil over this. And I know you would

like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today and you said that you found

nothing wrong. I mean, you know, and I didn’t lose the state for people that have been saying that

it was the highest vote ever. There was no way a lot of the political people said that there’s no way

they beat me and they beat me.

They beat me in the polls. You know, every single state. We won every state, we won every

statehouse in the country. We held the Senate, which is shocking to people, although we’ll see

what happens tomorrow or in a few days. And we won the house, but we won every single

statehouse and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats. And they gained, I think,

sixteen or seventeen or something. I think there’s now a difference of five that was supposed to be

a difference, substantially more.

But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that,

that there was no way they beat me in the in the election, that the people came out — matter of

fact they were expecting to lose. And then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails.

And they said there’s no way that they’ve done many polls prior to the election. There was no way

that they won. Ballots were dropped in massive numbers. And we’re trying to get to those numbers

and we will have them. They’ll take a period of time certified. But but but they’re massive numbers

and far greater than the eleven thousand seven hundred and seventy nine.

The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is in the — close to

5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an

accurate number. And a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters. The bottom line is when you add

it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots. Then the other thing they said

is in Fulton County and other areas — and this may or may not be true — this just came up this

morning, that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding, shredding ballots and

removing equipment. They’re changing the equipment on the on the Dominion machines. And, you

know, that’s not illegal. And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds — 3,000

pounds of ballots. And that just came to us as a report today. And, you know, it’s a very sad

situation.

But Brad if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779 and many

of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified, but they are certified, those are numbers

that are there that exist and that that beat the margin, the margin of loss. They beat it, I mean by a

lot. And people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where there’s

turmoil. I mean, there’s turmoil in Georgia and other places. You’re not the only one. I mean, we

have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly.

But this is this is something that’s, you know, as an example, I think in Detroit. And I think there’s

a section, a good section of your state, actually, which we’re not sure. So we’re not going to report

it yet. But in Detroit, we had I think it was 139% of the people voted. That’s not too good. In

Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And that was

that doesn’t play too well. And the legislature there is, which is Republican, is extremely activist

and angry. But I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that.

But but they had, as an example in Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I

think it was, I think, Mark, it was 18,000, some unbelievably high number, much higher than

yours. You were in the 4 to 5,000 category. And that was checked out laboriously by going

through versus by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.

So I guess with all of it being said, Brad the bottom line and provisional ballots again, you know,

you’ll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were

complaining that they weren’t able to vote because they were already voted for. These are great

people. And, you know, they were shell shocked. I don’t know if you call that provisional ballots in

some states. We had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional

ballot because when they walked in on November 3rd, they were already voting, voted for.

So that’s it. I mean, we have many, many times the number of votes necessary to win this state.

And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily. And we’re getting — we have

much of this is a very you know, they’re certified, far more certified than we need. But we’re

getting additional numbers certified too and we’re getting pictures of drop boxes being delivered

and delivered late and delivered three days later in some cases. Plus, we have many affidavits to

that effect.

Mark Meadows: So, Mr. President, if I if I might be able to jump in and I’ll give Brad a chance. Mr.

Secretary, I want to obviously, there is there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or

fair vote and legal vote was was counted. And that’s at odds with the representation from the

secretary of state’s office. What I’m hopeful for is there are some way that we can we can find

some kind of agreement to to to look at this a little bit more fully. As you know, the president

mentioned Fulton County, but in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of

where the facts seem to lead. And so, Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that, you know, in a spirit of

cooperation and compromise is there there’s something that we can at least have a discussion to

look at some of these allegations to find a path forward, that's less litigious.

Brad Raffensperger: Well, I’ve listened to what the president has just said. President Trump, we’ve

had several lawsuits and we’ve had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions of. We

don’t agree that you have one. We don’t — I didn’t agree about the 200,000 number that you

mentioned. I'll go through that point by point.

What we have done is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going

through the election issue by issue. And then on the state House Government Affairs Committee,

we gave them about two and a half hours of our time going back point by point on all the issues of

contention. And then just a few days ago, we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican

congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election.

Going back primarily what you’re — what you’ve talked about, you’re focused on primarily, I

believe is the absentee ballot process. I don’t believe that you’re really questioning the Dominion

machines because we did a hand retally, a 100% retally of all the ballots and compared that to what

the machine said. It came up with virtually the same results. Then we did the recount. We’ve got

virtually the same results. So I guess we could probably take that off the table. I don’t think there’s

an issue about that.

President Donald Trump: Brad, not that there’s not an issue, but because we have a big issue with

Dominion in other states and perhaps in yours. But we have we haven’t felt we needed to go there.

And just to, you know, maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying. Mark Meadows.

Yeah, we'd like to go further, but we don’t really need to. We have all the votes we need. You know,

we won the states. If you took — these are the most minimal numbers. The numbers that I gave

you. Those are numbers that are certified your absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses your

you’re out of state voters 4,925. You know, when you add them up, it’s many more times, many

times the 11,779 number. So we could go through. We have not gone through your Dominion, so

we can’t give them blessing. I mean, in other states we think we found tremendous corruption with

Dominion machines, but we’ll have to see.

But but we we only lost the state by that number. Eleven thousand votes and 779. So with that

being said, with just what we have. And, you know, with just what we have, we’re giving you

minimum minimum numbers, we’re doing the most conservative numbers possible. We’re many

times, many, many times above the the margin. And so we don’t really have to, Mark? I don’t think

we have to go through each.

Mark Meadows: Right, Right.

President Donald Trump: Because what’s the difference between winning the election by two votes

and winning it by half a million votes? I think I probably did win it by half a million. I mean, you

know, one of the things that happened, Brad, is we have other people coming in now from

Alabama and from South Carolina and from other states, and they’re saying it’s impossible for you

to have lost Georgia. We won. You know, in Alabama, we set a record, got the highest vote ever. In

Georgia, we set a record with a massive amount of votes. And they say it’s not possible to have

lost Georgia.

And I could tell you by our rallies, I could tell you by the rally I’m having on Monday night, the

place they already have lines of people standing out front waiting. It’s just not possible to have lost

Georgia. It’s not possible. When I heard it was close, I said there’s no way. But they dropped a lot

of votes in there late at night, you know that Brad. And that’s what we are working on very, very

stringently.

But regardless of those votes, with all of it being said, we lost by essentially 11,000 votes. And we

have many more votes already calculated and certified too. So I just don’t know. You know, Mark, I

don’t know what’s the purpose. I won’t give Dominion a pass because we found too many bad

things. But we don’t need Dominion or anything else. We have we have we have won this election

in Georgia based on all of this. And there’s nothing wrong with with saying that Brad. You know, I

mean, having having a correct — the people of Georgia are angry and these numbers are going to

be repeated on Monday night along with others that we’re going to have by that time, which are

much more substantial even, and the people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are

angry. And there’s nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you’ve recalculated because the

2,236 and absentee ballots, I mean, they’re all exact numbers that were were done by accounting

firms, law firms, etc. And even if you cut them in half, cut them in half and cut them in half again,

it's more votes than we need.

Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong.

We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised. But they -- I guess, there's a person

named Mr. Brainard that came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was

dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual numbers were two. Two. Two people that

were dead that voted. And so that's wrong. That was two.

President Donald Trump: Well Cleta, how do you respond to that, I mean, you tell me.

Cleta Mitchell: What I will say Mr. Secretary, one of the things that we have requested, and we did

-- what we said was if you look at, if you read our petition, it said that we took the name and birth

years and we had certain information available to us. We have asked from your office for records

that only you have. And so we said there's a universe of people who have the same name and same

birth year and died. But we don't have the records that you have, and one of the things that we

have been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now is to try, is for you to make available

to us the records that would be necessary to confirm [President Trump cuts in, talking over

Cleta Mitchell, unintelligible]

President Donald Trump: But Cleta even before you do that, Cleta even before you do that and not

even including it, that's why I hardly even included that number, although in one state we have a

tremendous amount of dead people. So I don't Know, I'm sure we do in Georgia, too. I'm sure we

do in Georgia, too. But is that we're so far ahead. We're so far ahead of these numbers. Even the

phony ballots of of-- known scammer, you know, the Internet, you know what was

trending on the Internet? Where's Because they thought she'd be in jail. Where's-? It's

it's crazy. It's crazy.

That was -- the minimum number is 18,000 for I but they think it's probably about 56,000.

But the minimum number is 18,000 on the night where she ran back in there when

everybody was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the ballot boxes. Let's face it, Brad. I mean, they did

it in slow motion replay, magnified. Right. She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like

nobody's ever seen them stuffed before. So there's a term for when it's a machine instead of a

ballot box. But she stopped the machine. She stopped the ballot. Each each ballot went three

times. They were showing. Here's ballot number one here it is a second time, third time, next

ballot.

I mean, look Brad, this we have a new tape that we're going to release. It's devastating. And by the

way, that one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that we're talking about.

It's, you know, that one event was a disaster. It's just, you know, but it was it was something that it

can't be disputed. And again, we have a version that you haven't seen, but it's it's it's magnified.

It's magnified. And you can see everything. And she put for some reason, they put it in three

times, each ballot. And I don't know why, but you know I don't know why three times. Why not five

times. Right. But yeah, go ahead.

Brad Raffensperger: You're talking about the State Farm video. And I think it's extremely

unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of

context. So the next day we brought in WSB--TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and

what you'll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was was projected by

President Donald Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers

there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there. It was late in the

evening or late in the early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room. Where were the

poll watchers and why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which is reported in the

newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a water main break and there was no

water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But if you if

you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers? Even where were the Democrat

poll watchers? Because there were none.

And then you say, well, they left their station. You know, if you look at the tape and this was this

was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people. When they left in a rush,

everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left

their station when they came back, they didn't go to their station. They went to the apron wrapped

around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an

official or a sealed box. And then they took those and they went back to a different station. So if

they would have come back, they would have walked to their station and they would have

continued to work. But they couldn't do even that, that's illegal, because they had no Republican

poll watchers. And remember, her reputation is is is Devon. She's known all over the Internet, Brad.

She's known all over. I'm telling you, where's where's-was one of the hot items, where's

They knew her. Where's So Brad, you know this, there can be no justification for that.

An I you know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But that was. And Brad, why did they

put the votes in three times, you know? They put them in three times.

Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that -- we we we did an audit of that. It was

proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.

President Donald Trump: Well, where was everybody else at that late time in the morning? Where

was everybody? Where were the Republicans? Where was the security guards? Where were the

people who were there just a little while before when everyone ran out of the room? How come

how come we had no security there? Why did they run to the bottom of the table? Why did they run

there and just open the skirt and rip out the rip out the votes?| mean, Brad. And they were sitting

there. So I think for five hours or something like that, the votes. But they just all happened to run

back and go, you know, Brad.

Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we'll send you the link from WSB that does -- [President Trump

and Cleta Mitchell cut in, talking over Brad Raffensperger, unintelligible.]

President Donald Trump: I don't care about a link. I don't need it. I have a much better link.

Cleta Mitchell: I, I will tell you, I've seen the tape, the full tape. So has Alex. We've watched it. And

what we saw and what we've confirmed in the timing is that they made everybody leave. We have

sworn affidavit saying that, and then they continued, then they began to process ballots and our

estimate is that there were roughly 18,000 ballots. We don't know that, if you know that --

President Donald Trump: It was 18,000 ballots, but they used each one three times --

Cleta Mitchell: Well, I don't know about that, but I do know --

President Donald Trump: But I do because we haven't, we had ours magnified out.

[President Trump and Cleta Mitchell talking over each other, unintelligible.] "117.44

Cleta Mitchell: I watched the entire tape —

President Donald Trump: But nobody can make a case for that, Brad. Nobody. I mean, look, that’s

you’d have to be a child to think anything other than that, just a child. I mean — [President Trump

and Cleta Mitchell talking over each other, unintelligible.]

Cleta Mitchell: How many ballots? How many ballots, Mr. Secretary — [talking over each other,

unintelligible.]

Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI certainly investigate that

Ryan Germany: We had our, this is Ryan Germany, we had our law enforcement officers talk to

everyone who was who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as FBI

agents.

President Donald Trump: Well, there’s no way they could. Then they're incompetent. They're either

dishonest or incompetent.

Cleta Mitchell [talking over]: Well what did they find?

President Donald Trump: There’s only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. There’s just no

way. Look, there’s no way. And on the other side, too, there’s no way. I mean, there’s no way that

these things could have been you know, you have all these different people that that voted, but

they don’t live in Georgia anymore. What was that number play? That was a pretty good number

too.

Cleta Mitchell: Well the number who had registered out of state after they moved from Georgia.

And so they they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state.

And then it’s like 4,500. But I don’t have that right in front of me.

President Donald Trump: But then they came back in and they voted

Cleta Mitchell: And voted, yeah

President Donald Trump: That was a large number though. It was in the 20s. And, you know, the

point is —

Ryan Germany: We keep going through each of those as well, and those numbers that we got, that

Mitchell was just saying, they’re not accurate. Everyone we’ve been through are people that lived in

Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many

cases — [President Trump talking over Ryan Germany, unintelligible.]

President Donald Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, to hell

with it, I’ll move back. And, you know, it doesn’t sound like a very normal. You mean they moved

out and what they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? And it’s like it’s. It's crazy.

Ryan Germany: Well, and then this is they moved back in years ago. This was not like something

just before the election. So there’s something about that data. It’s just not accurate.

President Donald Trump: Well, I don’t know. I mean, all I know is that it is it is certified and they

moved out of Georgia. And they voted. It didn’t say they moved back in Cleta, did it?

Cleta Mitchell: No, but I mean, we we're looking at the voter registry. Again, if you have

additional records, we've been asking for that. But you haven't shared any of that with us.

You just keep saying -- [President Trump talking over Cleta Mitchell, unintelligible.]

President Donald Trump: But Cleta, a lot of it you don't need to be shared. I mean, to be

honest, they should share it, they should share it because you want to get to an honest

election. I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. There's no way I lost

Georgia. There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. I'm just going by small

numbers when you add them up there many times the 11,000. But but I won that state by

hundreds of thousands of votes. Now, do you think it's possible that they shredded ballots

in Fulton County? Because that's what the rumor is and also that Dominion took out

machines, that Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their machinery. Do you know

anything about that? Because that's illegal

Ryan Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No Dominion has not moved any machinery out of

Fulton County. We're having an election on Tuesday.

President Donald Trump: But have they have they moved the inner parts of the machines

and replaced them with other parts?

Ryan Germany: No

President Donald Trump: You're sure, Ryan?

Ryan Germany: I'm sure. I'm sure, Mr. President,

President Donald Trump: What about what about the what about the ballots, the shredding

of the ballots? Have they been shredding ballots?

Ryan Germany: The only investigation that we have into that they have not been shredding

any ballots, there was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal, you know,

office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this is stuff from, you

know, past elections.

President Donald Trump: I don't know. It's very -- it doesn't pass the smell test because we

hear they're shredding thousands and thousands of ballots. And now what they're saying,

oh, we're just cleaning up the office. You know, I don't think that plays.

Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they -- people

can say anything

President Donald Trump: No. Ah, no this isn't social media. This is Trump media. It's not

social media. It's it's really not. It's not social media. I don't care about social. I couldn't care

less. Social media is big tech. Big tech is on your side. You know, I don't even know why you

have a side because you should want to have an accurate election. And you're a Republican.

Brad Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.

President Donald Trump: No I -- No you don't. No. No you don't. You don't have. You don't

have. Not even close. You're off by hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small

numbers, you're off on these numbers. And these numbers can't be just. Well, why won't.

OK, so you send us into Cobb County for a signature verification, right? You send this into Cobb County, which we didn’t want to go into.

And you said it would be open to the public and we could have our so we had our experts there.

They weren’t allowed into the room, but we didn’t want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County.

And you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren't we signature? And why can’t it be open to the

public? And why can’t we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs that will never find

anything and don’t want to find anything they don’t want to find, you know they don’t want to find

anything. Someday you’ll tell me the reason why, because I don’t understand your reasoning, but

someday you’ll tell me the reason why. But why don’t you want Cobb County?

Ryan Germany: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County, we chose Cobb County ...

President Donald Trump: Why don't you want to, what?

Ryan Germany: Sorry, go ahead.

President Donald Trump: You know, why did why? OK, so why did you do Cobb County? We didn't even request we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County.

Cleta Mitchell: That's right, we do have ... (unintelligible)

Ryan Germany: We chose Cobb County (crosstalk)

President Donald Trump: Go ahead, please. Go ahead.

Ryan Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there's been any evidence submitted that a signature verification was not properly done. (Unintelligible)

President Donald Trump: No, but I told you. But we're not we're not saying that, we are

Cleta Mitchell: Yeah, we did say that. We did say that.

President Donald Trump: We're the the aggrieved party. Fulton County. Look, Stacey, in my opinion, Stacey is as dishonest as they come. She has outplayed you at every heart at everything. She

got you to sign a totally unconstitutional agreement, which which is a disastrous agreement. You can't check signatures. You can't do it. I can't imagine you're allowed to do harvesting, I guess,

in that agreement, that agreement is a disaster for this country.

And but she got you somehow to sign that thing. And she is a she's outsmarted you at every step. And I hate to imagine what's going to happen on Monday or Tuesday, but it's very scary to people, you

know, where the ballots flow in out of nowhere. It's very scary to people. That consent decree is a disaster. It's a disaster. A very good lawyer who examined it said they've never seen anything like it.

Brad Raffensperger: Harvesting is still illegal in the state of Georgia. And that settlement agreement did not change that one iota.

President Donald Trump: That was not a settlement agreement. It's a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesn't it? It uses the term consent decree. It doesn't say settlement agreement, it's a consent decree, it's a disaster.

Brad Raffensperger: It's a settlement agreement.

President Donald Trump: What's written on top of it?

Brad Raffensperger: Ryan?

Ryan Germany: I don't I don't have it in front of me, but it was

not entered by the court, it's not a court order.

President Donald Trump: No, it's closed. But Ryan, it's it's called a consent decree. Is that right, on the paper? Is that right?

Ryan Germany: I don't I don't I don't believe so. I don't I don't have it in front of me.

President Donald Trump: OK, whatever. It's a disaster. It's a disaster. Look, here's the problem. We can go through signature verification and we'll find hundreds of thousands of signatures if

you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn't do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a

signature verification is go from the one that signed it in on November whatever, recently, and compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you'll find

that you have many different signatures. But in, in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren't even signed, and you have many that are forgeries. OK? You know

that. You know that. You have no doubt about that.

And you will find you will be at eleven thousand seven seventy nine within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt.

And they're going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they're laughing at you and you've taken a state that's a Republican state and you've

made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody's ever cheated before.

And I don't care how long it takes me, you know, we're going to have other states coming forward, pretty good. But I won't. This is never given. This is we have, some incredible talent said they've never seen anything. Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers, but they are very substantial numbers. But and I think you're going to find that they by the way, a little information, I think you're going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots,

because the ballots are unsigned, the ballots are, are corrupt and they're brand new and they don't have seals. There's a whole thing where the ballots but the ballots are corrupt and you're going to

find that they are, which is totally illegal. It's, it's more illegal for you than it is for them, because you

know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's just, you know, that's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And, you know, you can't let that happen. That's, that's a big risk to you and to Ryan. Your lawyer is that's a big risk. But they are (crosstalk) shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I've heard. And they are removing machinery and they're moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal fines. And you can't let it happen. And you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I'm

notifying you that you're letting it happen, so. (Crosstalk) All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have because we won the state.

And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, you know, this is just it's a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I don't know. A lot of people think it wasn't a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But it's a big problem in

Georgia and it's not a problem that's going away. I mean, you know, it's not a problem that's going away. And, and we've got to

Ryan Germany: Mr. President, this is Ryan. We're looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.

President Donald Trump: OK, that's good.

Ryan Germany: And our investigators ...

President Donald Trump: But if you find them, you got to say it,

Ryan. Look ... (Crosstalk)

Ryan Germany: Let me tell you what we are seeing.

President Donald Trump: Go ahead. Good.

Ryan Germany: What we're seeing is not at all what you're

describing. And these are investigators from our office. These are

investigators from GBI and they're looking and they're good. And

that's not what they're seeing. And we'll keep, we'll keep

looking, we'll keep looking at all of these things.

President Donald Trump: Well, you better check on the ballots because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. I'm just telling you, Ryan, they're shredding ballots. And, uh, you should look at that

very carefully because that's still illegal. You know, you may not

even believe it because it's so bad, but, but they're shredding

ballots because they think we're going to eventually get there

because we'll eventually get into Fulton. You know, it's in my

opinion, is my opinion, it's never too late. So it's a little

double double subject, though. So that's the story fellows. Look,

we need only 11,000 votes. We have far more than that as it stands

now. We'll have more and more. And do you have provisional ballots

at all, Brad? Provisional ballots?

Brad Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state law.

President Donald Trump: Sure. But you have them I mean, are they

counted or did you just hold them back? Because they you know, in

other words, how many provisional ballots do you have in the

state?

Brad Raffensperger: We'll get you that number.

President Donald Trump: Because most of them are made out to the

name Trump, because these are people that were scammed when they

came in and we have thousands of people that have testified or

that want to testify. When they came in, they were probably going

to vote on November 3rd and they were told, I'm sorry, you've

already been voted for. You've already voted. The women, men

started screaming no. I proudly voted 'til November 3rd. They

said, I'm sorry, but you've already been voted for and you have a

ballot. And these people are beside themselves.

So they went out and they filled in a provisional ballot, putting

the name Trump on it. And what about that batch of military

ballots that came in? And even though I won the military by a lot,

it was 100% Trump, do you know, I mean a hundred percent Biden, do

you know about that? A large group of ballots came in. I think it

was to Fulton County, and they just happened to be 100% for Trump,

even though -- for Biden, even though Trump won the military by a

lot, you know, a tremendous amount. But these ballots, were 100%

for Biden. And you know about that? A very substantial number came

in, all for Biden. Does anybody know about it?

Cleta Mitchell: I know about it but we were never --

President Donald Trump: OK, Cleta, wait, I'm not asking you,

Cleta, honestly. I'm asking, I'm asking Brad. Do you know about

the military ballots that we have confirmed now. Do you know about

the military ballots that came in that were 100%, I mean, 100%,

for Biden? Do you know about that?

Brad Germany: I don't know about that. I do know that we have when

when military ballots come in, it's not just military, it's also

military and overseas citizens. The military part of that does

generally go Republican. The overseas citizen part of it generally

goes very Democratic. This was a mix of them.

President Donald Trump: Yeah, that's OK. But I get I got like 7896

in the military. These ballots were all for this, this, they were,

they didn't tell me overseas, could be overseas, too, but I get

votes overseas too, Ryan. You know, in all fairness, I know they

came in, a large batch came in and it was, quote, 100% for Biden.

And that is criminal. You know, that's criminal, That's

another criminal. That's another of the many criminal events, many

criminal events here.

I don't know. Look, Brad, I got to get, I have to find 12,000

votes and I have them times a lot, and therefore I won the state.

That's before we go to the next step, which is in the process of

right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said,

well, there was no criminality. But I mean, all of this stuff is

very dangerous stuff. when you talk about no criminality, I think

it's very dangerous for you to say that. I just, I just don't know

why you don't want to have the votes counted as they are. Like

even you, when you went and did that check. And I was surprised

because I (unintelligible) the check and we found a few thousand

votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the

way that check was done, all you're doing is recertifying

existing votes. And, you know, you were given votes and you just

counted them up and you still found 3,000 that were bad.

That was sort of surprising. That came down three or five. I don't

know. It is still a lot of votes. But, but you have to go back to

check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check

with Fulton County, you'll have hundreds of thousands because they

dumped ballots into Fulton County and the other county next to it.

So what? So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need

11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You

know, we have that in spades already, or we can keep it going. But

that's not fair to the voters of Georgia because they're going to

see what happened. And they're going to see what happened I mean,

I'll, I'll take on anybody you want with regard to and her lovely daughter, a very lovely young lady, I am sure. But I will take, I will take on anybody you

want. And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots, but they used

them three times. So that's, you know, a lot of votes. And that

one event, and they were all to Biden, by the way that's the

other thing we didn't say. You know, the one thing I

forgot to say, which was the most important, do you know that

every single ballot she did went to Biden. You know that, right?

Do you know that, by the way, Brad? Every single ballot that she

did through the machine at early, early in the morning went to

Biden. Did you know that, Ryan?

Ryan Germany: That's not accurate, Mr. President.

President Donald Trump: Huh? What is accurate?

Ryan Germany: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.

President Donald Trump: No, about about early in the

morning, Ryan. Where the woman too you now, where the whole

gang took this stuff out of the from under the table, right? Do you know, do you know who those ballots, do you know who they were made out to? Do you know who they were voting for?

Ryan Germany: No, not specifically.

President Donald Trump: Did you ever check?

Ryan Germany: We did what I described to you earlier.

President Donald Trump No, no, no. Did you ever check the ballots

that were scammed by fl a known political operative balloteer? Did you ever ec those votes were for?

Ryan Germany: We've looked into that situation that you described.

President Donald Trump: No, they were 100% for Biden. One hundred

percent, there wasn't a Trump vote in the whole group. Why don't

you want to find this, Ryan? What's wrong with you? I heard your

lawyer is very difficult, actually, but I'm sure you're a good

lawyer. Have a nice last name. But, but I'm just curious. Why

wouldn't, why, why do you keep fighting this thing? It's just, doesn't make sense. We're way over the 17,779 ri ht? We're way over that number. And just, if you took just "we're

over that number by five, five or six times en you multiply that times three. And every single ballot went to Biden. And, and you didn't know that, but now you know it. So tell me,

Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it's not

fair to take it away from us like this. And it's going to be very

costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you're going

to reexamine it and you can reexamine it. But but reexamine it

with people that want to find answers, not people that don't want

to find answers. For instance, I'm hearing Ryan, and he's probably

I'm sure a great lawyer and everything, but he's making statements

about those ballots that he doesn't know, but he's making it was

such. He, he did make them with surety, but now I think he's less sure because the answer is they all went to Biden and that alone

wins us the election by a lot. You know, so.

Brad Raffensperger: Mr. [unintelligible] you have people that

submit information as we have our people that submit information.

And then it comes before the court. And the court then has to make

a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our

numbers are right.

President Donald Trump: why do you say that? I don't know. I mean,

sure, we can play this game with the courts, but why do you say?

First of all, they don't even assign us a judge. They don't even assign us a judge. But why wou ey, Brad, why wouldn't you want to check out And why wouldn't you

want to say, 'Hey, if if in fact President Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, just that one incident

alone without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped

ballots.' You just say you stick by. I mean, I've been watching

you for you know, you don't care about anything. Your numbers are

right. But your numbers aren't right. They're really wrong, and

they're really wrong Brad. And I know this phone call's going

nowhere other than other than ultimately, you know, look,

ultimately I win, 0K. Because you guys are so wrong and you've

treated this, you've treated the population of Georgia so badly.

You, between you and your governor, who wouldn't have, who was

down at 21, he was down 21 points, and like a schmuck, I endorsed

him and got he got elected. But I will tell you, he's a disaster

and he'll never, I can't imagine, the people are so angry in

Georgia. I can't imagine he's ever getting elected again. I'll

tell you that much right now. But but why wouldn't you want to

find the right answer Brad instead of keep saying that the numbers

are right? Because those numbers are so wrong.

Cleta Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of the things

that we have been, Alex talked about this, we've talked about it,

and I don't know whether the information has been conveyed to your

office, but I think what the president's saying, what we've been

trying to do is to say, look, the court is not acting on our

petition. They haven't even assigned a judge. But the people of

Georgia and the people of America have a right to know the

answers. And you have data and records that we don't have access

to. And you keep telling us in making public statements that

you've investigated this and you know nothing to see here. But we

don't know about that. All we know is what you tell us. what I

don't understand is why wouldn't be in everyone's best interest

to, to try to get to the bottom, compare the number, you know, if

you say because to try to be able to get to the truth? And

because we don't have any way of confirming what you're telling

us. You tell us that you've had an investigation of the State Farm arena. I don't have any report. I've never seen a report of an

investigation. I don't know what that is. I've been pretty

involved in this and I don't know. And that's just one of like 25

categories. And it doesn't even and and as I as the president

said, we haven't even gotten into the Dominion issue. That's not

part of our case. It's not part of we we just didn't feel as

though we had any way to be able to develop.

President Donald Trump: No, we do have a way, but I don't want to

get into it because we have, we found a way in other states

[unintelligible] excuse me, but we don't need it because we're

only down 11,000 votes, so we don't even need it. I personally

think they're corrupt as hell, but we don't need that because all

we have to do Cleta is find 11,000 plus votes. So we don't need

that. I'm not looking to to shake up the whole world. We won

Georgia easily. We won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But

if you go by basic, simple numbers, we won it easily, easily. So

we're not giving Dominion a pass on the record. I will tell you

that. But we just don't you know, we don't need Dominion because

we have so many other votes that we don't need to prove it any

more than we already have.

Kurt Hilbert: Mr. President, Cleta, this is Kurt Hilbert. If I

might [unintelligible] here for a moment. Ryan, I would like to

suggest that just four categories that have already been mentioned

by the president that have actually hard numbers of 24,149 votes

that were counted illegally that in and of itself is sufficient to

change the [unintelligible] or place the outcome in doubt. We

would like to just sit down with your office and we can do it

through purposes of compromise and so on and just like this phone

call just to deal with that limited category of votes. And if you

are able to establish that our numbers are not accurate, then

fine. However, we believe that they are accurate. We've had now

three to four separate experts look at these numbers. These

numbers are based upon the [unintelligible].

President Donald Trump: And certified, certified accountants

looked at them.

Kurt Hilbert: Correct. And this is just based on [unintelligible]

data and your own secretary of state data. So that's what we would

entreat and ask you to do, to sit down with us in a compromise and

settlements you know proceeding and actually go through the

registered voter IDs and the registrations. And if you can

convince us that that 24,149 is inaccurate, then fine. But we we

tend to believe that that is you know obviously more than 11,779.

That's sufficient to change the result entirely in and of itself.

So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?

Ryan Germany: Kurt, I'm happy to, I'll get with our lawyers and

we'll set that up. That number is not accurate, and I think we can

show you for all the ones we've looked at why it's not. And so if

that if that would be helpful, I'm happy to get with our lawyers

and set that up with you guys.

President Donald Trump: Let me ask you Kurt, Kurt you think that

is an accurate number. That was based on the information given to

you by the secretary of state's department, right?

Kurt Hilbert: That, that is correct. That information is the

minimum most conservative data based upon the [unintelligible]

data and the secretary of state's office data that has been made

publicly available. We do not have the internal numbers from the

secretary of state, yet we have asked for it six times. I sent a

letter over to Mr. [unintelligible] several times requesting this

information, and it's been rebuffed every single time. So it

stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming,

there's something to hide. That's the problem that we have.

Ryan Germany: Well, that's not the case. There are things that you

guys are entitled to get and there's things that under law, we are

not allowed to give out.

President Donald Trump: Well, you have to, under law, you're not

allowed to give faulty election results. OK, you're not allowed to

do that. And that's what you've done. This is a faulty election

result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet

tomorrow because you have a big election, election coming up and

because of what you've done to the president, you know, the people

of Georgia know that this was a scam. And because of what you've

done to the president, a lot of people aren't going out to vote

and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they

hate what you did to the president. OK. They hate him. And they're

going to vote. And you would be respected if really respected if

this thing could be straightened out before the election. You have

a big election coming up on Tuesday. And therefore, I think that

it really is important that you meet tomorrow and work out on

these numbers, because I know, Brad, that if if you think we're

right, I think you're going to say and I'm not looking to blame

anybody. I'm not, I'm just saying that that, you know, you know,

under new counts and under new views of the election results, we

won the election. You know, it's very simple. We won the election,

as the governor of major states in the surrounding states said

there is no way you lost Georgia. As the Georgia politicians say,

there is no way you lost Georgia. Nobody, everyone knows I won it

by hundreds of thousands of votes. But I'll tell you, it's going

to have a big impact on Tuesday if you guys don't get this thing

straightened out fast.

Mark Meadows: Well, Mr. President, this is Mark. Let me let me

just, it sounds like we've got two different sides agreeing that

we can look at those, those areas. And and I assume that we can do

that within the next 24 to 48 hours to go ahead and get that

reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure

that we get the access to the secretary of state's data to either

validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that

correct?

Ryan Germany: No, that's, that's not what I said. I'm happy to you

know sit down with or have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and and

and and the lawyers on on that side and explain to him, 'Hey,

here's based on what we've looked at so far, here's how we know

this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this

is wrong.'

Mark Meadows: So what you're saying, what you're saying Ryan, hold

on, let me make sure, so what you're saying is you you really

don't want to give access to the data. You just want to make

another case on why the lawsuit is wrong.

Ryan Germany: I don't think we I don't think we can give access to

data that's protected by law, but we can sit down with them and

say [unintelligible].

President Donald Trump: But you're allowed to have a phony

election? You're allowed to have a phony election, right?

Ryan Germany: No sir.

President Donald Trump: What are you, what are you going to do the

signature counts on when are you going to do signature

verification on Fulton County, which you said you were going to

do, and now all of a sudden you're not doing it. When are you

doing that?

Ryan Germany: We are doing that, we've announced.

Unidentified: Mr. President, to get to this issue of the personal

information and privacy issue, is it possible that the secretary

of state could deputize the lawyers for the president so that we

could access that information, that private information, without

you having any kind of violation?

President Donald Trump: Well, I don't want to know who it is, you

guys can do it very confidentially, you can sign a confidentiality

agreement. That's OK. I don't need to know names. But we got the

information. On this stuff that we're talking about, we got all

that information from the secretary of state.

Mark Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me recommend, Ryan, if you and

Kurt will get together, you know, when we get off of this phone

call, if you could get together and work out a plan to to address

some of what we've we've got with your attorneys where we can, we

can actually look at the data. For example, Mr. Secretary, I can

tell you, you said there was only two dead people that would vote.

I can promise you there are more than that. And that may be what

your investigation shows, but I can promise you there are more

than that. But at the same time, I think it's important that we go

ahead and move expeditiously to try to do this and resolve it as

quickly as we possibly can. And and if that's the good next step,

hopefully we can we can finish this phone call and go ahead and

agree that the two of you will get together immediately.

President Donald Trump: But why don't my lawyers show you where

you got the information. It'll show the secretary of state and you

don't even have to look at any names. We don't want names. We

don't care. But we got that information from you. And Stacey

Abrams is laughing about, you know, she's going around, saying

these guys are dumber than a rock. What she's done to this party

is unbelievable, I tell you. And I only ran against her once, and

that was with a guy named Brian Kemp. And I beat her. And if I

didn't run, Brian wouldn't have had even a shot, either in the

general or in the primary. He was dead, dead as a doornail. He

never thought he had a shot at either one of them. What a schmuck

I was. But that's the way it is. That's the way it is. I would

like you to for the attorneys on my I'd like you to perhaps meet

with Ryan ideally tomorrow because I think we should come to a

resolution of this before the election. Otherwise, you're going to

have, you're going to have people just not voting. They don't want

to vote. They hate the state. They hate the governor, and they

hate the secretary of state. I will tell you that right now. And

the only people that like you are people that will never vote for

you. You know that, Brad, right? They like you. You know, they

like you. They can't believe what they found. They want more

people like you. So, look, can you get together tomorrow? And

Brad, we just want the truth. It's simple, and and everyone's

going to look very good if the truth comes out. It's OK. It take a

little while, but let the truth come out. And the real truth is I

won by 400,000 votes, at least. That's the real truth. But we

don't need 400,000 votes. We need a less than 2,000 votes. And are

you guys able to meet tomorrow, Ryan?

Ryan Germany: I'll get with Chris, the lawyer who's representing

us in the case, and see when he can get together with Kurt.

Brad Raffensperger: Ryan will be in touch with the other attorney on this call, Mr. Meadows. Thank you President Trump for your time.

President Donald Trump: OK, thank you Brad. Thank you Ryan. Thank

you. Thank you everybody. Thank you very much. Bye.